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[Rognin]

Back a second time!!

Transfering the current fish I have from my old to my new tank.

Tank:
145gal (57x20x30)
28gal sump
Deltec SC2060 skimmer
100lbs DR
57lb Jakarta LR
~75lbs of white ciment and DR
120lbs live sand

Current stocking going into the new tank:
-2 chromis
-2 bangaii cardinals
-1 yellow watchman gobie
-2 fancy ocellaris

Fish I want to add:
-1 Kole tang
-1 Powder blue
-1 Powder brown
-1 Yellow Tang
-1 Sixline Wrasse
-1 Copperband butterfly(I have plenty of aiptasia and majano on my 2 year old LR)
-1 One Spot Foxface
-3-5 Anthias (dunno which yet)
-1-2 firefish
-1 Sailfin Blenny

Thanks!

 

[snorvich]

I have a 75 gallon tank that will have sand and live rock as well as a 20g sump/ref. We, my two daughters and I, are starting to pick out fish. Any and all suggestions would be helpful here. We are new to this and reading until our eyes glaze over. The only must have is a Mandarin either spotted or green. I know this takes an established tank with copepods in abundance. The plan is to get the tank and rock up and established then to slowly add fish and eventually the mandarin after a few months.

This fish my daughters are looking at are:
A Foxface Lo (Siganus vulpinus)
A male Lyretail Anthias (Pseudanthias squamipinnis)
A pair of Ocellaris Clownfish, Tank Bred (Amphiprion ocellaris)
A Pink Spotted Watchman Goby (Cryptocentrus leptocephalus)
A Yellowtail Damselfish (Chrysiptera parasema)

A good plan; be aware the Foxface is venomous

The questions are:
1. Are these fish compatible? yes
2. Are there any issues with their diets? as a fox face is an algae eater, it should be added down the line to insure algae is established; and supplementing with nori would be desirable
3. Is this selection of 7 fish too much / too few for a 75g tank? should be fine
4. What am I not seeing?

Lastly, I have read a ton on quarantining. The one issue I can't seem to find discussed is can you/is it acceptable to quarantine together in a 20g QT tank multiple fish (say the two clowns and the Foxface) purchased from the same place? While we are not in a huge hurry we are trying to cut down on the 4 to 6 week QT per fish. while not the subject of this thread (which is marine fish compatibility), I have a quarantine protocol in my blog that will eliminate ich from the picture completely and will avoid introduction of one of the more deadly. You need to know, however, if your source of fish has a low level, non-therapeutic dose in their system.

 

[snorvich]

Back a second time!!

Transfering the current fish I have from my old to my new tank.

Tank:
145gal
28gal sump
Deltec SC2060 skimmer
100lbs DR
57lb Jakarta LR
~75lbs of white ciment and DR
120lbs live sand

Current stocking going into the new tank:
-2 chromis
-2 bangaii cardinals
-1 yellow watchman gobie
-2 fancy ocellaris

Fish I want to add:
-1 Kole tang
-1 Powder blue
-1 Powder brown
-1 Yellow Tang Only two tangs in this sized tank; the kole is ideal, plus one other. Especially true with another largish algae grazer
-1 Sixline Wrasse aggressive and will not be compatible with some tank mates
-1 Copperband butterfly(I have plenty of aiptasia and majano on my 2 year old LR) may or may not eat aiptasia; the more likely one to work is the one sourced from Australia
-1 One Spot Foxface
-3-5 Anthias (dunno which yet) need multiple feedings per day for long term success
-1-2 firefish one only
-1 Sailfin Blenny

Thanks!

always a pleasure

 

[Rognin]

Back a second time!!

Transfering the current fish I have from my old to my new tank.

Tank:
145gal
28gal sump
Deltec SC2060 skimmer
100lbs DR
57lb Jakarta LR
~75lbs of white ciment and DR
120lbs live sand

Current stocking going into the new tank:
-2 chromis
-2 bangaii cardinals
-1 yellow watchman gobie
-2 fancy ocellaris

Fish I want to add:
-1 Kole tang
-1 Powder blue
-1 Powder brown
-1 Yellow Tang Only two tangs in this sized tank; the kole is ideal, plus one other. Especially true with another largish algae grazer
-1 Sixline Wrasse aggressive and will not be compatible with some tank mates
-1 Copperband butterfly(I have plenty of aiptasia and majano on my 2 year old LR) may or may not eat aiptasia; the more likely one to work is the one sourced from Australia
-1 One Spot Foxface
-3-5 Anthias (dunno which yet) need multiple feedings per day for long term success
-1-2 firefish one only
-1 Sailfin Blenny

Thanks!

always a pleasure

If/when the tank matures. Would it be possible to add a third tang?

I'd narrow it down to brown, blue and yellow tang (talking over a year).

Also, what would be the order of insertion for my fish list into the tank to reduce aggression?

Thanks again!!

 

[snorvich]

If/when the tank matures. Would it be possible to add a third tang?

The foxface "counts as" a tang; if a foxface is hungry (and they eat constantly) they are not coral safe by the way

I'd narrow it down to brown, blue and yellow tang (talking over a year). Blue like in P. Hepatus? If so, no. If you eliminate the foxface, a third tang, while pushing it, might possibly work.)

Also, what would be the order of insertion for my fish list into the tank to reduce aggression? always most aggressive last (yellow tang or another tang)

Thanks again!!

 

[justslothy]

alright guys, i'm in the process of cycling my first saltwater tank which is going to be a mixed reef. it is 100 gallons and the dimensions are as follows in inches L x W x H: 72x18x19

Here's what my stocking list looks like for now; give or take a few. I'll add some questions below concerning a few of these fish:

1 yellow tang
2 ocellaris clownfish
2 bangaii cardinal
1 kole tang
2 firefish goby
1 green mandarin pair (obviously after i establish a good copepod population)
a few reef safe wrasses (not really sure which ones)
green/ bicolor chromis school (?)
1 diamond watchman goby
1 pseudochromis /1 royal gramma
1 or 2 cleaner wrasses

Alright so, do you think it would be fine to keep the kole and the yellow tang together? I am planning on introducing them together to avoid any aggression issues. For the chromis school, i hear that they quickly go from 5 to 1, is that true? Is there anyway you can keep chromis as a school of ~5? Also, any nice looking wrasses or similar fish you would add to this list? Keep in mind this is going to be a mixed reef tank. Thanks!

 

[snorvich]

alright guys,

this thread is only answered by Reef Central Staff; if you want general opinions post in the Reef Fish Forum

i'm in the process of cycling my first saltwater tank which is going to be a mixed reef. it is 100 gallons and the dimensions are as follows in inches L x W x H: 72x18x19

Here's what my stocking list looks like for now; give or take a few. I'll add some questions below concerning a few of these fish:

1 yellow tang
2 ocellaris clownfish
2 bangaii cardinal should be tank raised
1 kole tang
2 firefish goby only one will sustain long term
1 green mandarin pair (obviously after i establish a good copepod population) only one will work in this sized tank
a few reef safe wrasses (not really sure which ones) they will eat copepods so your single mandarin may not work
green/ bicolor chromis school (?) chromis do not school and will diminish to one over time
1 diamond watchman goby
1 pseudochromis /1 royal gramma royal gramma is fine, a pseudochromis is not compatible with reef safe wrasses
1 or 2 cleaner wrasses no. First of all, only the African endemic tends to work, and only one in any case. These do not help with parasite control.

Alright so, do you think it would be fine to keep the kole and the yellow tang together? not in this sized tank. I am planning on introducing them together to avoid any aggression issues. For the chromis school, i hear that they quickly go from 5 to 1, is that true? yes Is there anyway you can keep chromis as a school of ~5? no Also, any nice looking wrasses or similar fish you would add to this list? Keep in mind this is going to be a mixed reef tank. Thanks!

 

[GT350pwns]

Pushed my luck a bit too much with my tank size, as we discussed yesterday. Will hopefully be able to pull the anthias and the flame out during a water change over the weekend.

With all that said, the tank is a 36 gallon bowfront with 2 ocellaris clowns (snowflake and darwin), a pom pom crab, 2 sexy shrimp (would like to add ~3 more at some point), and some hermits.

I'm thinking about a helfrichi or purple firefish, a basslet (black cap or macneill's assessor), a YWG (on the fence here, I know they can get pretty territorial), and maybe one or two other small fish (any suggestions? I'm open to ideas. Want active, colorful, and compatible).

Thanks in advance!

 

[snorvich]

Pushed my luck a bit too much with my tank size, as we discussed yesterday. Will hopefully be able to pull the anthias and the flame out during a water change over the weekend.

With all that said, the tank is a 36 gallon bowfront with 2 ocellaris clowns (snowflake and darwin), a pom pom crab, 2 sexy shrimp (would like to add ~3 more at some point), they do best in groups ideally associated with a plate coral or similar for a sense protection. and some hermits.

I'm thinking about a helfrichi or purple firefish either is excellent but only one


, a basslet (black cap not with sexy shrimp or macneill's assessor) either assessor is good although mildly cryptic , a YWG (on the fence here, I know they can get pretty territorial), and maybe one or two other small fish (any suggestions? I'm open to ideas. Want active, colorful, and compatible). active in this sized tank is probably not going to work

as those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations for a variety of reasons but would always be happy to review any stocking plan provided tank size is also provided.

Thanks in advance!

 

[GT350pwns]

So either Assessor would work with the shrimp? Awesome.


I can respect not making recommendations

How would a fangblenny work?

 

[snorvich]

So either Assessor would work with the shrimp? Awesome.

any basslet has some level of risk with sexy shrimp


I can respect not making recommendations

How would a fangblenny work?

should be fine. Very personable, but is a jumper

 

[Zer0.]

Hey Snorvich,

First of all thanks for providing this great service to us newer reefers,
This is my planned list for a 180 gallon tank (72x24x24 and a 40b sump, that is just starting cycling at the moment, I have 150 pounds of very porous rock, and about a 2-3 inch bed of CaribSea Seaflor Special Grade Reef Sand. Plan on hopefully having some coral down the road (mostly LPS).

Fish list in approximate planned order of acquisition
pair of occ. clowns
midas blenny
diamond watchman goby (heard mixed reviews on whether these are good to keep or not)
Either flame angel or coral beauty (unsure of reef safe)
Yellow belly regal blue tang
Red or green mandarin (assuming well established pod population)
Kole yellow eye tang

Hope I didn't miss anything and thanks again!

 

[justslothy]

thanks snorvich! ill get some more thoughts from the reef fish forum too

 

[snorvich]

Hey Snorvich,

First of all thanks for providing this great service to us newer reefers,
This is my planned list for a 180 gallon tank (72x24x24 and a 40b sump, that is just starting cycling at the moment, I have 150 pounds of very porous rock, and about a 2-3 inch bed of CaribSea Seaflor Special Grade Reef Sand. Plan on hopefully having some coral down the road (mostly LPS).

Fish list in approximate planned order of acquisition
pair of occ. clowns
midas blenny may nip fins of planktivores
diamond watchman goby (heard mixed reviews on whether these are good to keep or not) depending on your perspective, the commensal relationship value may exceed the negative effect of the mess of moving sand
Either flame angel or coral beauty (unsure of reef safe) neither is coral safe;
Yellow belly regal blue tang needs a larger (longer) tank
Red or green mandarin (assuming well established pod population) 9 months maturity
Kole yellow eye tang

Hope I didn't miss anything and thanks again!

 

[Zer0.]

A blue tang would need a longer tank than 6 feet? Live Aquaria.com had that listed as the min. size so I hoped it would work. (I assume blue hippo tang and regal yellow belly blue tang are pretty much the same)

Any other possible suggestions? I've read that the same body type tangs usually go after each other. So prob not a good idea to mix yellow tang and kole yellow eye tang?

Edit: Also not sure what would be a planktivores in my list.

Thanks for feedback

 

[Zer0.]

Considered a few diff. flasher or fairy wrasse but was worried they would inhibit the mandarins food supply by eating up all the copods and such

 

[snorvich]

A blue tang would need a longer tank than 6 feet? Live Aquaria.com had that listed as the min. size so I hoped it would work. (I assume blue hippo tang and regal yellow belly blue tang are pretty much the same)

Yes, same species. Either one as it matures can get very aggressive, territorial, and large. Reef Central's recommended tank sizes for tangs can be found here. If you put large fish in a tank, it makes the tank look small, by the way.

Any other possible suggestions? I've read that the same body type tangs usually go after each other. So prob not a good idea to mix yellow tang and kole yellow eye tang? Not necessarily. As long as the yellow is the last fish added, you are likely to be fine

Edit: Also not sure what would be a planktivores in my list. Any fish eating out of the water column is technically a planktivore.

Thanks for feedback

 

[snorvich]

Considered a few diff. flasher or fairy wrasse but was worried they would inhibit the mandarins food supply by eating up all the copods and such

In a 180, after nine months, you should have sufficient capacity. (and of course these are planktivores)

 

[Zer0.]

One last question if you dont mind, are purple tangs really much more aggressive than yellow? I really like the Chevron's but they are pricey.

Edit: Nevermind looks like purple tangs are about the same price :S

 

[snorvich]

One last question if you dont mind, are purple tangs really much more aggressive than yellow? I really like the Chevron's but they are pricey.

Edit: Nevermind looks like purple tangs are about the same price :S

zebrasoma tangs tend to be about the same level of aggressiveness. If added last, seems to work. I love Chevron tangs!