DIY Bio Ball Tower

president89

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I have around 8" x 8" room in my sump for a bioball tower. I need something around 20" tall to get the balls out of the water. Any ideas on what I can use? I was going around kmart looking to see what size containers they had. I didn't find anything with this footprint. I was thinking maybe a 8" PVC pipe. A clear version is quite expensive. I do have some lighting grid meterial, but that's not easy to glue together.

Looking for something relatively cheap.

BTW, this is for a breeding fish setup, so nitrates are not as much of a concern as a reef for those you wondering why I'm using bioballs.
 
I found some 2G buckets in lowes that were 9" in diameter, i was able to get this in the sump. Now I guess I just need to drill and elevate the bucket so the bio balls are exposed to air.
 
My aquaculture tanks (coral, fish, macro) all run on what is loosely termed "reef systems." You won't find a single bio-ball in any system I have currently, or ever set up professionally. Fish breeding is a rather exact discipline, and the best systems to run are those that follow the 'reef line of thinking.' I imagine bio-balls have a place somewhere, I have yet to find it though...it is all about the water quality, and you will be better off with a large powerful skimmer, and a DSB in a bucket...rather than making more nitrates with bio-balls in a bucket...
 
My aquaculture tanks (coral, fish, macro) all run on what is loosely termed "reef systems." You won't find a single bio-ball in any system I have currently, or ever set up professionally. Fish breeding is a rather exact discipline, and the best systems to run are those that follow the 'reef line of thinking.' I imagine bio-balls have a place somewhere, I have yet to find it though...it is all about the water quality, and you will be better off with a large powerful skimmer, and a DSB in a bucket...rather than making more nitrates with bio-balls in a bucket...

Hence why I mentioned in my OP that Nitrates were not as big of a concern...because I knew someone would say that. I've talked to several successful breeders, and they use bioballs for Ammonia ->Nitrite ->Nitrate conversion.

Plus if I'm totally wrong, this bioball tower is extremely inexpensive and I can remove it. I will have my fuge section have a DSB and some chaeto.
 
Hence why I mentioned in my OP that Nitrates were not as big of a concern...because I knew someone would say that. I've talked to several successful breeders, and they use bioballs for Ammonia ->Nitrite ->Nitrate conversion.

Plus if I'm totally wrong, this bioball tower is extremely inexpensive and I can remove it. I will have my fuge section have a DSB and some chaeto.

Someone or several someones using something, does not make it what is best, or even in the ballpark with the way somethings should be done. It simply means someone or a few do that...What I am telling you will be very appropriate for your endeavor, and will provide far better water quality than bio-balls will—which is precisely why bio-balls were tossed out the window...

For the sake of brevity, I am successful in propagting numerous speices of marine life, and so are my associates. None of us use bio-balls. So that makes several that don't use bio-balls. Several vs. several.

DSB should have no other life in it other than bacteria. Adding macro, or (rock or 'clean up' crew for that matter) will pollute the sand bed in very short order, and it will create problems for you.
 
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Someone or several someones using something, does not make it what is best, or even in the ballpark with the way somethings should be done. It simply means someone or a few do that...What I am telling you will be very appropriate for your endeavor, and will provide far better water quality than bio-balls will"”which is precisely why bio-balls were tossed out the window...

For the sake of brevity, I am successful in propagting numerous speices of marine life, and so are my associates. None of us use bio-balls. So that makes several that don't use bio-balls. Several vs. several.

DSB should have no other life in it other than bacteria. Adding macro, or (rock or 'clean up' crew for that matter) will pollute the sand bed in very short order, and it will create problems for you.

Are you suggesting that a DSB by itself is adequate bio filtration to handle all of the heavy feedings that are required to maintain 5 broodstock pairs? How much flow does this DSB need? My fuge has very low flow. I'm not convinced that a DSB by itself can convert all that food and waste to nitrate.
 
Are you suggesting that a DSB by itself is adequate bio filtration to handle all of the heavy feedings that are required to maintain 5 broodstock pairs? How much flow does this DSB need? My fuge has very low flow. I'm not convinced that a DSB by itself can convert all that food and waste to nitrate.

Nope, that is not what a non-critter based DSB does. Not entirely anyway—but neither will bio-balls. In the upper oxygenated layer, which may only be a cm deep if that, there will be processing of of dissolved organics -> Ammonia -> Nitrite -> Nitrate, but this is a process that occurs on every surface, substrate, pipes, inside pump volutes, walls of the tank, the surface of rock, and other shallow sand beds. The beginning of the process is accomplished by heterotrophic bacteria, that decompose the organic matter, and dissolved organics to Ammonia. This process also occurs in all parts of the system. What the non-critter based DSB cannot deal with is the particulate matter, and neither can the bio-balls. Such particulate matter is not much of a problem as long as it is not collected, or allowed to settle out, where it will immediately begin to decompose adding more dissolved organics to the system.

There is a difference between Marine systems and Freshwater systems. Marine fish, do not excrete ammonia, as fresh water fish do. They excrete dissolved organics directly to the water which, along with excess food, must then first be converted to ammonia, before going any further. Although the conversion process from ammonia to nitrate is very efficient due to the large populations of autotrophic bacteria in a well managed system (initial cycle,) the decomposition process is slower, because the heterotrophic bacteria populations are much lower, as they must be for the system to remain in balance, and capable of recovering from ammonia spikes quickly without losses.

The result is a steady build up of dissolved organics, that pollute the system, and can easily cause a systems demise over time. This makes the basic problem with marine systems the dissolved organics, not the ammonia -> nitrate process. Bio-balls address the Ammonia -> Nitrate process, as well as heterotrophic processes, but do not turbo charge anything enough to make them worth anything. In terms of populations, there is more surface area for colonization of autotrophic bacteria on a couple of rocks, and a couple inches of sand than there is with a bucket of bio-balls, so really what is the point? The process is every bit as efficient when the substrate is submerged, as it is when exposed to air...hence the bio-balls do nothing but produce nitrates, which is hardly if ever a problem in most any system, the problem displays as the all too familiar nuisance algae problems due to high nitrate production.

There is only one method to directly remove the dissolved organics, and keep them 'in check' at least, so they don't excessively build up. That is a large powerful skimmer, usually three times larger than what is recommended by the manufacturer for a given tank size. At that, you have a skimmer that is sized properly for the system. (There are no standards for skimmer sizing, it is all marketing hype.)

Armed with a properly sized skimmer, and we already know the ammonia -> nitrate process will produce excess nitrates, without adding bio-balls, the only thing left to deal with is the removal of nitrates more efficiently than water changes can even come close to, and that is what a DSB does. Denitrification. Bio-balls don't do it, and neither does rock (there is no mechanism for water movement through the dead base rock that is called live rock these days.)

You say nitrates are not an issue with the system you intend. That is great, but it actually is....if it gets out of hand, and out of hand it will get, unless you deal with it.

The flow rates for a DSB should be in the so called "SPS flow rate" range (such as 200 gph over the surface of 60lbs of sand in a 5 gallon bucket, which results in only a few inches of water above the DSB.) Low flow through a sump with a sand bed in it is one of the worst practices around.

If you were planning a 100 or a 1000 breeding tanks, then maybe some thought should be given to the methods used, but on a tiny scale there is not really much point, in the end what you want is excellent water quality, and the best water quality is in well managed reef systems. I have 25 breeding pairs, various species, and they all inhabit "reef environments." I have breeding pairs in my main display tank...a bit more dangerous for the offspring in there however... ;)

The real question is: Do you want to produce nitrates, bio-balls do that very well. Or, do you want to produce excellent water quality, which is what your breeding pairs want and need, along with some other things....low to zero nitrates is a part of high water quality...nitrate is a pollutant...though not toxic at levels normally found in aquaria, and neither is nitrite...in that sense your thinking is correct.

Well that is how several other folks see it and practice it....
 
So if I wanted to reproduce this same system solely for the purpose of being a lazy heavy feeder and wanting to do little to no water changes, for a 900g setup, what size skimmer/skimmers would you buy?
 
While I don't believe bioballs are very good(because they're awful slim skeletons of plastic), media like Seachem Matrix is awesome.

It serves a purpose, it does it well, and it doesn't take up as much space as LR or a dsb.

Of course everyone has their opinion of it, but it DOES work at its intended function.
 
While I don't believe bioballs are very good(because they're awful slim skeletons of plastic), media like Seachem Matrix is awesome.

It serves a purpose, it does it well, and it doesn't take up as much space as LR or a dsb.

Of course everyone has their opinion of it, but it DOES work at its intended function.

Should matrix be in a reactor, a filter bag, or anything, or can I just dump them in my sump? I actually ordered these last night, and was figuring out what exactly I was doing to do.
 
I've had good luck using any of those methods.

I will say though, if you can put them in a reactor or filter bag, just be sure they're easily accessible to rinse periodically. (preferred over just dumping them in; rinse them with the water coming out of the tank during a water change)
 
I'm going to try this, because it won't require any building. I'll look into how I can incorporate a DSB bucket too, but that will take some redesign. My current setup doesn't have room.
 
So if I wanted to reproduce this same system solely for the purpose of being a lazy heavy feeder and wanting to do little to no water changes, for a 900g setup, what size skimmer/skimmers would you buy?

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Thats not a skimmer:

THIS
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is a skimmer.......

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Oh, and the bucket of sand trick.....Yeah took a 125g with 40ppm nitrates and dropped it to 0ppm in about 3 months.
 
Thats not a skimmer:

THIS
image054.jpg

is a skimmer.......

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Oh, and the bucket of sand trick.....Yeah took a 125g with 40ppm nitrates and dropped it to 0ppm in about 3 months.

I want one of them in my living room too...that looks familiar, where have I seen that before?
 
I honestly dont understand why Bio balls have such a bad rap.

If you clean them like you are supposed to at least every 6 months, they work wonderfully.

I run them on my QT system. I used a 5 gal bucket, cut off the bottom 3" then drilled a few hundred holes in the bottom part. Then I installed a bulkhead in the center of the lid, and glued the bottom to the inside of the lid and put it on the bucket top. This acts as a shower head. Then I zip tied egg crate to the bucket bottom and some PVC to lift it 3".

Bam $10 bio ball tower.
 
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